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Clusen, Charles, Washington Representative, Sierra Club__.
Dunlop, Don, vice president, environmental affairs, Florida Power & Light,
accompanied by Norman Paul, company counsel

Edwards, Howard L., vice president and secretary, The Anaconda Co. on
behalf of the American Mining Congress..

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Gross, Lester, chairman, League of New Community Developers, accom-

panied by Mark Freeman, former executive director_-_.

Hart, John C., first vice president, National Association of Home Build-
ers; accompanied by Carl A. S. Coan, Jr., staff vice president, National
Association of Home Builders; John A. Couture, associate legislative
counsel, National Association of Home Builders___.

Hartray, John F., Jr., chairman, Commission on Environment and Design,

American Institute of Architects, accompanied by Michael Barker, ad-

ministrator, American Institute of Architects---

Humke, John W., vice president, government programs, The Nature Con-
servancy, accompanied by Emily Schwab, The Nature Conservancy 1004, 1007

Jackson, Hon. Henry M., a U.S. Senator from the State of Washington___

Lamm, Hon. Richard D., Governor, State of Colorado_.

Messing. Marc, Environmental Policy Center_..

LAND RESOURCE PLANNING ASSISTANCE ACT AND THE ENERGY FACILITIES PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACT

FRIDAY, MAY 2, 1975

U.S. SENATE,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND LAND RESOURCES,
OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS,
Washington, D.C.
The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room 3110,
Dirksen Office Building, Hon. Henry M. Jackson, chairman, presiding.
Present: Senators Jackson, Stone, Fannin, and Hansen.
Also present: Steven P. Quarles, counsel.

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. HENRY M. JACKSON, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON

The CHAIRMAN. The subcommittee will come to order. Today is the 18th day of hearings on land resource planning legislation, which this committee has held over the last 51⁄2 years.

I sincerely hope that today's hearing will be the last on the subject and that this legislation becomes law in this Congress. In opening statements and lines of questioning on the earlier days of hearings this year, I put forth my strongly held belief on the necessity of this legislation. I will not burden the hearing record today with a long opening statement particularly in light of the lengthy witness list. I would like to take this opportunity, however, to extend a special cordial welcome to Governor Lamm.

Governor Lamm has been a staunch supporter of local land resource programs. His eloquent statement before this committee 2 years ago on behalf of the Council of State Legislators is particularly remembered, and we are delighted to welcome you, Governor, to the committee, particularly in your new capacity as Governor of the State of Colorado.

You may come forward and have a seat. I want to read a statement from Senator Haskell before we proceed.

I deeply regret I am unable to be present for today's hearings and to personally welcome the Honorable Richard Lamm, Governor of Colorado. I do want to express my appreciation for his willingness to come to Washington, today, and to share with the subcommittee his comments regarding the Land Resource Planning Assistance Act.

Governor Lamm has long been a leader in the use of State and local land use planning. Two years ago, he appeared before this subcommittee. At that

time, he was a member of the Colorado House of Representatives. It is an honor to welcome him today in his new capacity as Governor of my home State. I know his observations will be most useful to members of the committee-signed Floyd K. Haskell, U.S. Senator.

I would like to join in that statement in again extending to you a welcome to the committee.

STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD D. LAMM, GOVERNOR,
STATE OF COLORADO

Governor LAMM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee. I will be brief and actually summarize my statement so we can maximize the time for dialog.

The CHAIRMAN. The entire statement will be included in the record. Governor LAMM. As you have indicated, I have been here previously and have come in three capacities-as Governor of Colorado, as a member of the Natural Resource Committee of the Governors' Conference, and, of course, one of 50 Governors that are unanimously concerned with the issue of land use. Since the 2 years that have transpired since I last sat here, obviously the issues are becoming more critical than they were at that time.

In the absence of Federal assistance and a broad flexible policy of many irreversible land use decisions have been made, which will affect us for decades, I think many States, of course, even since that time have attempted themselves to deal with these issues, and some have done so successfully, but most are hamstrung by inadequate financial assistance, a shortage of technical capability, and underdeveloped legal tools. Perhaps, again, a lack of carrots at a Federal level, a lot less things the Federal Government can help us focus our attention on. Increasing, there is the whole question of the State and local balance that has preoccupied a lot of time and attention of this committee.

In Colorado, like other States, we are attempting to clarify the responsibility between the State and local officials in land use decisions. I think in Colorado and a number of other States, by monitoring their legislation, there is increasingly, I think, a recognition that some policies, either because of their magnitude or complexity, deserve some sort of State review. Most decisions should and can be left to local governments, but it is becoming increasingly apparent that certain limited and important decisions have a State role, and that is what you in your bill ask us to direct our attention to. I think the increasing evidence that land use decisions have a compound influence upon land use patterns because of secondary impacts upon them.

Let me speak of the area of energy siting which is of interest to this committee and, of course, to all Governors. I would point out to your attention on page 4 of my statement, the statement of the Natural Resources Committee of the National Governor's Conference. It is important-I think it is a good one. I would observe by the wayat least in my short time of experience in Governors' Conferencesthere is no issue that has brought us together with such unanimity

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